2025 was supposed to be the year that we
would find out everything about the
Jeffrey Epstein case.
>> We need to release the Epstein list.
That that is an important thing.
>> The public has a right to know.
Americans have a right to know.
>> But instead, the Trump administration
now says there's no Epstein client list.
There was no blackmail and no more
evidence can be released to the public.
They've supercharged speculation and
angered their own supporters.
>> The explanations here are just absurd.
>> And at the heart of it all are the
Epstein files. In July, the Department
of Justice said their review was done.
Nothing more to see. But we don't think
the DOJ's account of the Epstein files
fully adds up. We've trled through
material relating to Epstein's crimes,
hundreds of court documents, and
previous disclosures. The DOJ said it
review included 300 GB of evidence. But
our analysis asked if the true scale of
the Epstein files is much, much larger
and actually runs to terabytes, still
unreleased to the public. And in a
scandal played by claims of intelligence
and blackmail, we've identified
sophisticated surveillance equipment
that can be linked to multiple cameras
and access remotely. We'll hear from
forensic and legal experts about what
we've found.
>> 300 GB is not anywhere close to
encompassing all of the digital evidence
in this case.
>> And look at how Trump's administration
is dealing with the fallout of breathing
new life into the Epstein mystery.
>> This is why members of the public don't
trust the government. They think there's
a cover up.
>> First, let's remind ourselves of why
Trump and his government is facing
endless headlines about Jeffrey Epstein.
Questions over Epstein have obsessed the
MAGA movement for years.
>> You are on the right side of history.
>> Before they were elected, leading
figures now working in Trump's
government said the files needed to be
released.
>> There are a lot of people who are kneede
in the Washington swamp who are not
telling you the truth. put on your big
boy pants and let us know who the
pedophiles are.
>> And even Trump said he'd have no problem
with it.
>> Would you declassify the Epstein files?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I would.
>> Then once they got into power, Trump's
attorney general, Pam Bondi, frequently
teased the release of more Epstein
evidence.
>> It's sitting on my desk right now to
review. You're going to see some Epstein
information being released. Literally
the day after that interview, the moment
arrived, the release of the Epstein
files, phase one. Conservative
commentators and social media stars
stood triumphantly outside the White
House holding up binders of evidence.
But actually, the day of the big reveal
turned out to be a big disappointment.
Most of the 200 pages declassified were
already available to the public. It was
not what the MAGA world was promised.
There's effectively nothing new in the
binders.
>> These are stuff that we've known for 3
years. This came out and it was a
nothing burger. I am really pissed.
>> Facing a backlash, Bondi quickly
released a statement saying that she was
told by an anonymous FBI source that
thousands of pages of documents were
secretly withheld from her office. And
so she ordered the FBI to release them.
And again, Bondi promised transparency.
>> Friday at 8, a truckload of evidence
arrived. It's now in the possession of
the FBI. We're going to go through it.
go through it as fast as we can. It's a
new administration and everything's
going to come out to the public. The
public has a right to know. Americans
have a right to know.
>> And so, after months of examining all
the evidence, did we finally find out
what was in those files? Not quite. On
July the 8th, the DOJ and the FBI
released a memo that said there was no
client list, no evidence that Epstein
blackmail prominent individuals, that no
third parties would be investigated, and
that Epstein's death was suicide. And as
for that truckload of evidence, well,
after conducting a quote exhaustive
review, the DOJ and FBI said they had
found over 10,000 downloaded videos and
images of illegal child sex abuse
material and other pornography, and they
would not permit the release of child
pornography.
Speaking at the White House the next
day, the attorney general was clear on
what that meant.
>> Child porn is what they were. Never
going to be released, never going to see
the light of day. This immediately
raised the eyebrows of many, including
Nema Romani, a former federal
prosecutor.
>> I can't believe that all the evidence,
whether it's pictures or videos,
constitutes child pornography. There has
to be some non pornography evidence that
can be made public to the American
people.
>> The message was clear from the Trump
administration. Nothing more to see
here. We don't agree. Let's start with a
number. 300 GB of data. The DOJ offered
just a single sentence about what they
reviewed in the July memo. A significant
amount of material including more than
300 GB of data and physical evidence.
Back in the early 2000s when the Epstein
investigations were starting, that would
have been the space of one decentsized
hard drive on your average home
computer. But Jeffrey Epstein didn't run
an average home. In fact, there's a lot
to suggest he was obsessed with data and
storing evidence. Pictures of FBI
seizures at Epstein's homes show piles
of CDs, hard drives, and a number of
computers. And the files the Department
of Justice released in February give us
a clearer idea of just how much digital
storage he had. This evidence list from
phase 1 in February details dozens of
hard disks, computers, iPads, thumb
drives, and network servers. It's packed
with digital devices. Some are listed
with their storage capacity with others
we use model and serial numbers to work
it out. Adding together the capacity of
only the devices where we can be certain
of their size, our analysis shows the
total comes to more than 24 terab. Now
obviously some of the devices may have
been empty or only partially filled, but
the contrast between the July memo and
the February evidence list is striking.
The 300 GB specifically mentioned in the
July memo would represent a tiny
fraction of those potential 24
terabytes, just over 1% of the total
data capacity laid out by the DOJ in
February. And we know there's a huge
amount of evidence out there. During
Gain Maxwell's trial, her lawyer
complained to the judge about how
Maxwell was having to review terabytes
of evidence on inadequate prison
computers while waiting for trial.
Evidence included approximately 214,000
photographs, hundreds of hours of audio
visual files, 2.4 million pages of
material, 20,000 pages of interview
notes, and reports and other materials
related to 226 separate witnesses.
That's terabytes of evidence being
discussed in black and white between a
judge and Maxwell's lawyer in a case the
Department of Justice was prosecuting in
2021. But now the DOJ is telling the
world that it's providing maximum
information to the public, but only
refers to evidence including more than
300 gigabytes. We spoke to Stacy
Eldridge, a former FBI senior forensic
examiner, about what we found.
>> Are they saying they were only going to
produce 300 gigabytes of discovery? Did
they think there were only 300 gigabytes
of data that was relevant to this case
that they were going to use in trial?
It's it's really vague.
>> The government is being less than
genuine when they said that there's only
300 gigabytes of data. We know from the
Gilane Maxwell trial that there were
terabytes of discovery that were
produced in that case. The DOJ's
conclusion to their exhaustive review
needs a closer look, too. Their aim was
to release as much as possible while
protecting victims and respecting the
evidence that's been sealed by courts.
In the end, they decided that no further
disclosure was appropriate or warranted.
But is it feasible that within
potentially terabytes of information,
the hundreds of thousands of documents,
photos, videos, emails, and messages,
that there was nothing that warranted
release? Because just a quick look at
the evidence list from February raises
questions about the DOJ's conclusion.
The list mentions photos of Epstein's
private island, like these ones. They
were previously released in open court.
And what about this poster? clear
evidence of how Epstein operated. It was
previously found on an electronic device
and released in court. If files like
these were on one of the data devices
the DOJ said they had back in February,
why not release them now? And as rumors
that Jeffrey Epstein was working with
intelligence agencies continue to swell.
We know he had an Austrian passport with
a fake name which was used to enter
Saudi Arabia and the UK which was found
in a lock safe alongside $70,000 in cash
and 48 loose diamonds. Does none of this
require the release of any more evidence
or warrant further investigation?
>> The most helpful evidence would be the
FBI interview notes as well as any video
evidence. Video doesn't lie. It can show
that who else was at Epstein's Island
when the accusers claimed that they were
sexually abused. There has to be a
treasure trove of information that the
Department of Justice has access to that
they're not making public. And there's
one particular area of speculation about
Epstein that has persisted for years.
>> You think this freak show of Epstein
wasn't like it didn't have hidden
cameras or wasn't taped and
>> were there hidden cameras at literally
every property?
>> Who has the tapes?
>> Look at these images obtained by the New
York Times. They were taken in Epstein's
Upper East Side Manhattan apartment.
They show cameras in one bedroom and an
adjoining room. And after the Palm Beach
Police Department first investigated
Epstein in 2005, a report for the DOJ's
Office of Professional Responsibility
says the police knew that Epstein had
surveillance cameras stationed in and
around his home, which potentially
captured video evidence of people
visiting his residence. Victims of
Epstein have long claimed his properties
were covered by cameras.
>> He showed you cameras throughout the
house.
>> Mhm. Mhm. The main thing he did when I
walked in, I thought was interesting, he
showed me where the camera, the men
monitoring everything were. I looked on
the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet,
bed, bed, toilet, bed. It was very
obvious that they were like monitoring
private moments.
>> And it's clear from looking at the DOJ's
evidence list from February that
sophisticated security camera gear was
found on Epstein's properties. It
reveals seized CCTV and surveillance
equipment capable of recording banks of
cameras and storing terabytes of data,
including a UniFi MVR or network video
recorder. That's a small server that
stores and manages video from up to 20
cameras. Additional hardware could have
made it possible to access the clips and
save them remotely. Another system
wrongly spelled as Cube appears to be a
secure 9000 site server. It's marketed
for use as a security system for
schools, healthcare centers, or small
businesses designed to help monitor
access and can be used with video
systems. We know nothing about exactly
what, if any, data investigators
retrieved from the surveillance systems.
Another glimpse of potential evidence
before the shutters came down. When
you're talking about dozens and dozens
of electronic devices seized from
Jeffrey Epstein, it has to be video most
likely or thousands and thousands of
pictures. Why haven't those pictures
been produced?
>> I think there's a lot of evidence that,
you know, these files such as they are.
Uh there's a lot of material that could
be released. Uh just recently in the
United States as part of a sort of
distraction from the Epstein files, the
Trump administration is releasing all of
these FBI files about the investigation
between into Trump's connection with
Russia. And I'll tell you, they managed
to redact a lot. Uh so the idea that
suddenly they can't redact things uh in
this case, I think, is a little suspect.
>> The one piece of new evidence the DOJ
did release in July wasn't even related
to Epstein's crimes, but to his death.
hours of what was described as raw CCTV
footage captured in Jeffrey Epstein's
prison blog on the day he was found dead
in his cell. But analysis by experts and
other media outlets quickly pointed out
issues with the footage like a missing
minute the DOJ said was the result of a
nightly reset. The first shocker was,
you know, the midnight reboot and then
people said, "Oh, we've found um a
minute missing and then it was kind of
up to two and a half minutes and then
maybe three minutes." And then as other
people pointed out, you can see like the
mouse moving. So, it's certainly not a
raw video by any means.
>> Even things like the video from Jeffrey
Epstein's jail the night he died, uh
that was ostensibly supposed to prove he
killed himself. Well, CBS News did a did
a analysis of it and they said, "This
doesn't really prove anything. You can
see people sneaking up to the block of
jail cells out of view of the camera,
things like this." So, there are so many
unanswered questions here. If Trump's
Department of Justice hoped its July
memo would finally put to rest the
conspiracy theories and speculation
around the crimes and death of Jeffrey
Epstein, then between the edited prison
footage, potentially missing terabytes
of data, and no further release of
evidence, what it actually achieved was
to breathe more life into the Epstein
files mystery. whether it's Bondi or
uh Patel or other high level folks at
the DOJ, they they've been saying
something for years. Again, before they
were in these positions and now that
they're at DOJ, you know, this is why
people think that there's a deep state
and there's this conspiracy to protect
the rich and powerful in America.
>> I think this is the biggest problem
Trump has faced, you know, with his base
potentially ever. It's a problem of
their own making which the world's most
powerful man and his administration are
desperate to move on from.
>> Are you still talking about Jeffrey
Epstein?
>> I call it the Epstein hoax. Total
Okay.
Okay.
>> But what the president can't move on
from is the fact that he and Epstein
knew each other for years. It's believed
the two men first became friends in the
late 1980s or early '9s, knowing each
other from parties on the Palm Beach and
New York social circuits. In an
interview with New York Magazine in
2002, Trump described Epstein as a
terrific guy. And just two years before
he died, Epstein told the journalist
Michael Wolf that he was Donald Trump's
closest friend for 10 years. More
recently, Trump has been keen to
distance himself from the disgraced
Epstein. The president claims they fell
out years ago and hadn't spoken in more
than a decade before Epstein's death.
>> I was not a fan of his. That I can tell
you. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and
he's never been accused by law
enforcement of involvement in Epstein's
crimes. But the desire to make the story
go away has only fueled more
speculation, including from Democratic
House Leader Hakeim Jeff.
>> What, if anything,
is the Trump administration and the
Department of Justice hiding? Option
one, they lied for years.
Option two, they're engaging in a cover
up. At this point, it seems reasonable
that can only be one of the two things.
>> I think this is a big problem for Donald
Trump. And I'm not accusing him of any
wrongdoing, but there is this perception
that the reason the documents aren't
being produced is because he's somehow
implicated in them. If I were advising
the president, I would strongly
encourage him to make the documents
public like he said during his
presidential campaign, like his cabinet
level officials have said they would do
to really clear this cloud of mistrust
when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein
files.
>> If the July memo was supposed to be a
victory of transparency, the DOJ's
handling of it all has only added to
that cloud of mistrust and angered some
of Trump's biggest supporters. There's
so much to unpack. The explanations here
are just absurd.
>> Cuz here's my stance on this. The whole
thing should be released.
>> She has created an embarrassment and
also a PR crisis for the president of
the United States. I blame Pam Bondi.
>> The White House is now clearly trying to
win back the angry MAGA crowd. First, by
going to someone who knows more than
anyone about Epstein. Glenn Maxwell was
his former girlfriend and accomplice and
she's serving 20 years for recruiting
and trafficking teenage girls for sexual
abuse by Epstein. After the backlash to
July's memo, Pam Bondi announced that
her deputy would speak to Maxwell. That
interview took place over 2 days for 9
hours. She answered those questions
honestly, truthfully, to the best of her
ability. She never uh invokes a
privilege. She never refused to answer a
question. The Department of Justice said
they'd share details of those
conversations at the appropriate time,
but that time still hasn't arrived,
leaving the door open to speculation
about what Maxwell has told the
administration. Speculation that was
supercharged when just a few days after
her interview, Maxwell was given a
transfer to a minimum security prison
camp in Texas with fewer inmates and
granted work release. And it was
reported that Maxwell had said nothing
in her interview that would be harmful
to the president. All while her legal
team pushes for a pardon that Trump
hasn't ruled out. Well, I'm allowed to
give her a pardon.
>> And if all that wasn't enough fuel for
the conspiracy theory fire.
>> Good morning. Do you have anything to
say today?
>> The person who interviewed Maxwell in
prison, Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanch. Just last year, he was working
as Donald Trump's personal lawyer. So
there's obviously a conflict of interest
there. He he's meeting with Galain. Uh
so one wonders what kind of messages are
being relayed back and forth.
>> This case has been mishandled both in
terms of the legal process, public
relations, but also politically.
There is the perception that highlevel
political officials both in this
administration and previous
administrations
rub shoulders with Jeffrey Epstein.
There's little sign that the Epstein
story is going away even if the White
House wants it to because now Congress
is involved. The House Oversight
Committee has voted to subpoena the
Justice Department for its files on
Epstein with even some Republicans
joining the Democrats in demanding those
documents and the first of those files
are going to be given to the committee
on the 22nd of August.
They've also called on a number of
highprofile political figures to
testify. Former President Bill Clinton,
a repeat flyer on Epstein's plane, as
well as his wife, Senator Hillary
Clinton, have both been subpoenaed. The
question is, will any of these actions
be enough to make the story go away?
>> I don't think the Jeffrey Epstein case
is going to go away anytime soon.
>> A lot of these answers, these questions
probably won't be answered, at least uh
for decades. Maybe this is a JFK
assassination situation where, you know,
everyone involved has to be dead before
we'll find out the truth. Now, we put
all of our findings to the Department of
Justice and asked them to respond, but
they didn't get back to us. They
promised they'd reveal something new,
but people are still demanding the
release of the files. They promised
transparency, but we've shown that what
they've provided this year is
conflicting and confusing information,
mismatch of data, and promises. This
could roll on for months, maybe years
more, with no guarantees that any of the
questions being asked by Trump's
critics, government skeptics, and most
importantly, Epstein's victims will ever
be answered.